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Archives for February 2008 February 27, 2008 yet another e-meter, this time for real
The two e-meters in the previous post were indeed sold on eBay. However, the sale of the first e-meter ended after one day--five days early. The sale of the second e-meter is curious too, as no picture was included in the listing. This may have had the effect of robbing Scientology of its only thin basis for removal, that being that the listed e-meter was a counterfeit, and the listing thus a trademark infringement. Without the picture, it is impossible to ascertain the authenticity and thus impossible to claim trademark infringement. It may also be noteworthy that the second e-meter was listed by a British user. Onto new e-meters! Well, one new e-meter. eBay listing here, and screenshot here, in case it disappears. The listing is due to expire in 4 days and can be "bought now" for $1400. The seller is from the US, and the e-meter is relatively new (a Mark Super VII Quantum). posted by scott pilutik at February 27, 2008 08:20 PM
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reddit February 21, 2008 New E-Meters For Sale on eBay
And with a very low $50 starting bid! It's an older model, a Mark VI, and from the looks of it as well as the description, used. Here's the link to the e-meter. Here's a screenshot of the listing, in case it suffers the same fate as countless e-meters before it. With so much attention now trained on both eBay and Scientology, it will be interesting to see if this older model squeaks through. Bidding ends on February 28 at 10:12 PST, and the seller is from the United States. Update/Correction: There are TWO e-meters for sale on eBay. This other e-meter (a Mark Super VII) doesn't attach a picture, however. Link to sale here. Link to screenshot here. The bidding is up to $260 on this model, and the seller is from London. posted by scott pilutik at February 21, 2008 03:32 PM
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reddit February 20, 2008 traffic!
I never expected all this hoopla (and you can quote me on that!). The hoopla I'm speaking of is for the 45,000+ 'unique visitors' to this site yesterday, from Slashdot, Digg, Reddit, Guy Fawkes, and Emma, all to read my post on Scientology's abuse of eBay's VeRO system. You all caused me to lose sleep while I tried to reconfigure the bandwidth of the site; the site crashed but was back up within ten minutes. I also received a few emails, some with interesting points I'll try to address later. One thing I would like address up front, however, is that the title of the Slashdot article linking here is a bit misleading. The VeRO program doesn't quite give Scientology access to eBay's database--it's an administrative tool whereby VeRO members can remove listings. It's not a slight distinction and should at least be pointed out. That said, it is true that the VeRO program allows rightsholders to police infringements themselves without interference from any human at eBay; these dynamics (including the prohibitive cost of responsive litigation by sellers) dictate a scenario where overreaching is inevitable. Another point a few emailers made is that the DMCA safe harbor rule would come into play here, and if sellers wanted to restore listings that were removed, all they would need to do is counternotify. This is true only in the context of an alleged copyright violation, however. Trademark and patent law are not covered by the DMCA safe harbor provision, and it is trademark and patent which has served so far as the bases for removal when Scientology has complained, based on emails and conversations I've had with affected sellers. So counternotifying is generally not an option for sellers of e-meters on eBay. See the EFF's Safe Harbor FAQ for more on this. posted by scott pilutik at February 20, 2008 08:02 AM
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reddit February 18, 2008 Scientology abuses eBay's VeRO program to practice religious, price discrimination
By the time Bill (not his real name) left the Church of Scientology a few years ago, he had amassed quite a collection of Scientology material—mostly books, tapes, e-meters. But ex-members of Scientology (especially staff members) find themselves in a difficult spot in this regard when they leave Scientology: their books, tapes, and e-meters are only valued by Scientologists, who, quite inconveniently, are strongly discouraged (read: disallowed) from communicating with ex-members—as any ex-Scientologist will tell you. By itself, this meter does nothing. It is solely for the guide of Ministers of the Church in Confessionals and pastoral counseling. The Electrometer is not medically or scientifically capable of improving the health or bodily function of anyone and is for religious use by students and Ministers of the Church of Scientology only. (emphasis added)But if the Church of Scientology has no real legal basis by which to remove eBay listings of e-meters, why would it assert, under penalty of perjury (as it must do to use eBay’s VeRO program), that it has "good faith belief" that the listing they are removing constitutes an infringement? It's a roll of the dice no doubt, but the odds are in its favor that Bill—like almost anyone else similarly situated—will not sue to have the listing restored, litigation being profoundly cost prohibitive, especially against the Scientology litigation machine, even where the item removed could have sold for up to $5,000. But Bill and the other similarly afflicted sellers are not without a legal basis for a complaint. It's possible to argue that Scientology is engaging in price fixing, tortious interference with a contract, misrepresentation, perjury, unfair competition, discriminatory business practices, and religious discrimination, to name a few off the top of my head. Scientology's intellectual property rights in its e-meter stop well short of being able to prevent a secondary market from existing, but eBay's VeRO program permits them to essentially do just that. This is not a new development—it’s been going on for nearly 8 years, as this Slashdot story shows. But it’s high time eBay did something about it. posted by scott pilutik at February 18, 2008 01:48 AM
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